Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 10:19:25)

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let us gather, leaders of clans, and decide on what our KI:U banlist should be.

no pacogh, you're the only one i've ever seen that thinks brawlers are cheap.

i'll start with the obvious and then proceed to what i think should be banned. lets keep this civil please.

aries armor
eyetrack orbitars

^the obvious that everyone agrees with. now some of my own thoughts. keep in mind that everything banned will go for both teams. its utterly fair that way.

my list:

Shot Homing (power): this should be banned. im sorry but this permits way too much looping which can easily be unavoidable when paired with, say, gemini orbitars with homing +3. You may not like this because almost every ranged user pairs it with their weps, but this i think is one of the more important ones to ban.

Slip Shot (power): this one is controversial. the restriction of this would prevent users of ranged weapons pairing SS with playing dead and then spamming standing charge shots/continuous fire through walls. Angels can't be surprise killed through walls, etc.

playing dead (power): ok so a lot of you may object to this, but i really don't see how you can when this power basically makes you impervious to any attack for upwards of half a minute. angels can't spam it to stall and players can't spam it to avoid damage in crossfire. simple enough.

Trade Off (power): Purely because a trade off user can kill an angel in a matter of a few hits.

E-Charge (power): one of the most popular powers, it enables many weapons to kill in one hit. however one hit to the user will disable it. I really think this one should be banned only because back-attacking can lead to many deaths.

Bumblebee (power): lol one of the most hated powers. "i hit him!...wait wut?" is what people say when they face BB users. BB makes SCF and SCS weapons like compact arm and ninja palm way OP. three hits to finally hit him? more if they use it again? uh uh. no thanks.

Spite (power): obvious reasons. bye bye angel.

thats about it for me. the powers i would choose to ban pretty much make most weapons toned down enough to use without
frustrating other users. homing boost restriction destroys most OP ranged weapons. anyway, discuss.

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Dragnet (2013-04-15 10:28:01)

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Why do things need to be banned anyway? Just because of a minority opinion that they're cheap? If they were that bad, they wouldn't have been kept in the final game. People are free to use what they want to use in the Online Multiplayer. This kind of stuff is exactly why, to provide an example, the Pokémon community looks down upon the Smogon metagame. Banning things just ruins the fun of the game. If you think they're cheap, find strategies to work around or possibly counter them.

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 10:32:25)

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because if things arent banned people find a way to b*tch about losing. do you play KI:U by any chance? and i think a lot of these may have been meant for solo. either that or nintendo probably didnt put into consideration the implications of a homing boost, shot homing +3 naturally homing weapon like eyetracks. a lot of weapons were made unavoidable by those homing stats and shot range +3 such as geminis and pudgy palm.

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 10:37:35)

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there really is no way to counter a looping weapon effectively. in a 1v1 you can use celestial fireworks for the invincibility frames so the shot ranges out. you can cancel the shot but unless your weapon is melee you won't get anywhere doing that. if your weapon is melee you are extremely susceptible to ranged attacks. stick shot defense +4 on your weapon and it leaves no room for melee defense and you get killed by the melee tanks. overall defense +8 and you get both shot and melee defense +4 at the cost of 71 value the highest costing attribute in the game. and it goes on.

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 10:39:56)

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i guess i'm really just trying to make this game as enjoyable as possible. dying repeatedly from a looping angel bow that circles through you 4 times can get extremely frustrating, and i'm tired of hearing people complain. if only i could ban lag.

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 10:44:14)

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in any case, i've heard the argument "they wouldnt have been kept in the game if they were cheap" and i've thought alot about it. my answer to that is that i really don't think nintendo cares, and if they do they dont do any extensive testing to find out what is banworthy. the game wouldnt look as good if there were only 20 useless powers, so they stick things that do random stuff in. honestly i've never seen anyone using Item Toss or whatever its called. or perhaps nintendo wants it to be up to us what we ban.

in any case, sorry for the long read. just my take on things.

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-15 12:06:36)

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thats what i said.

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WiiGi (2013-04-15 17:12:53)

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I have seen a few overpowered items and it makes it less competitive. Homing is one of the main concerns, especially on something such as Viridi Palm, you get invincibility frames by dodging it, but as you dodge it, it still manages to hit you because it's completely unavoidable. Personally I think Homing is best for online competitive, it actually homes on their screen, and it confirms the actual hit. If you ever played Metroid Prime Hunters or Mario Kart Wii, on your screen it appears that you hit someone, but on their screen it appears as if they're okay. A matchup between two Claw users, is basically the winner is usually the one with the worst internet connection in that game.

This post has been edited one or more times, the last time was:
2013-04-16 00:14:08

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Deedslaker7 (2013-04-16 11:25:27)

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^i dedicated 800 hours of this game to melee combat and i'm one of the best in the world at it now. inb4 "u caint b da best in da hole wurld". in any case you must not know how to melee. its not just banging some blades together and hoping to win.

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HerobrineLuka (2013-04-16 19:07:54)

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Ughh... I agree with Slip shot...

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SackThing101 (2013-04-30 07:11:35)

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*Cough*SuperAmorW/AriesArmor*Cough*

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SuperKirby64 (2013-04-30 08:31:46)

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I'm Changing the title so other Forum Mods won't think this belongs in another forum.

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