Jason2k14 (2014-11-06 00:49:45)

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>calls specific user his master
>then calls him a faggot

how r00d

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SackThing101 (2014-11-06 00:56:41)

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By the way, I did look at WiiGi's thread. I'm not convinced.

There were many "flooders", or, flooders, in your case, that were mods, and there's some that weren't mods.

An example would be Espeon (he was a mod). He was also known as SSBChampEdge, SilentWolf and DrunkenTomb. I never lived a day to see him not be banned by floodguard at least three times a day, even with a chat with 30+ users. Espeon and Bellamy are very related to each other. They both type fast and/or the chatroom is slow. Espeon "flooded" about SSB and all that stuff, and other people didn't have a problem. But with Bellamy, they "flood" with K-pop, but people freak the flip out.

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carlos11 (2014-11-06 01:05:32)

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There is a clear difference. Her posts are never directed towards anyone, she posts just to post. If it were a two-way conversation, it would be acceptable. That is never the case with her.

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HanShotFirst (2014-11-06 03:27:47)

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^ This

I also fail to see how Espeon is relevant in this situation. This is about Bellamy effectively flooding the chatroom with posts not at all directed at anyone or with any attempts at actually holding a conversation.

I mean sure, Espeon may have "Flooded", but was it in a manner truly comparable to what Bellamy does? Where he was just posting SSB related things just to post? when no other users seemed interested or engaged in the conversation and it mainly consisted of just one-sided posting? Where we saw a literal flood of posts eating up major portions of the chatroom, made by a single user, who ultimately didn't care when people told them to stop or take it elsewhere as it was clogging the chatroom?

Again, I spent less than 5 minutes in a chatroom with Bellamy. That alone reminded me why I stay away from the chatroom altogether, because within those 5 minutes there was a ton of posts from her, where she was talking to herself. No one else was engaged in a conversation, and I was told by another mod that "There's an ignore button if it bothers you."

If the mods only reason for not bringing up this behaviour sooner was because they had all used the Ignore button on Bellamy,

Hell, if the normal users in the chat don't really bring up this issue up because they set Bellamy to"Ignore" anyway, then you clearly have an issue. Like I responded, the Ignore option is a band-aid fix. It hides her flooding to their eyes, so they leave it at, without ever directly addressing the problem, which is that she's doing it in the first place.

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SackThing101 (2014-11-06 05:06:03)

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Espeon hardly directed his posts to anyone, either. No one wants Bellamy demoted for flooding, no. They just hate them because of them "lying" or making things up. Examples:

"Lol. I'm in Japan now."
"Lol. I'm not even in the U.S. :lol:"
"My dad who died set up a proxy for me so I would be protected (before his death)"
"My name isn't Bellamy. :lol:"
"My name isn't Kira. :lol:"
"My nane isn't Seosha. :lol:"

Now, I am not saying I don't believe them, it just gets the people mad for some reason. The users also get mad because Bellamy is not sharing their (Bellamy's) name, age (which they announced truthfully), gender ("genderless", which is why they're hated more), state, etc.

You see, they secretly don't think it is flooding, but they want them demoted for "a good reason" because they hate Bellamy because of not sharing any personal info. And yes, I have interviewed dozens about this, I told them "Why do you hate Bellamy?" response: "BECAUSE SHE ING FLOODS." and after a few moments, they say "Oh yeah, SHE'S A DIRTY ASS LIAR S W" so basically, the community wants Bellamy to be truthful, and then they'll like them. Espeon was a flooder too, but he shared info and they liked him.

So you see, both of them are relevant to each other, but one shares personal info, other doesn't, which I respect that.

And, just a side note, Espeon is a way faster typer, or flooder you may say, than Bellamy.

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Leviathan (2014-11-06 06:13:37)

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False. I have stated multiple times that I wish for Kira to be demodded for her flooding. You can view so in Wiigiis thread. Also, Carter agrees with me on this. Not directing your messages to somebody is one thing. I talk to myself occasionally. but doing so in rapid succession is another. Hell, even if she did direct it towards somebody, it would be flooding.

This is not the only thing she has at fault too. She is extremely subjective and will warn/ban the people she doesn't like with very little reason to do so. For example, "PM me you bastard!" was what got me banned the last time. For insulting. This may be technically insulting, but was not meant as an insult. She also banned my brother Harley's account simply because we have a natted firewall, and all outgoing connections have the same IP. When he stated this, she took no time to even Google it, or ask for a second opinion. She immediately decided with no valid reason that his story was a lie. Although probable, does not give her reason to do so.

Espeon posted half the quantity of messages Kira does. Everybody agrees that for multiple reasons, she is a horrible mod. My reasoning, you ask?

1. She directly insults the users.
2. She doesn't accept criticism or correction. If anybody tells her to stop flooding, she replies with "Why would I let pixels on a screen bother me?".
3. She floods.
4. She ignores the people she doesn't like. No matter if that keeps her from doing her duty as a PF mod.
5. She neglects her profile moderation responsibility. A newbie came into the chats asking for profile help. TwilightWinter and DrakeJericho were offline, so I said Super_~_Junior. He whispered to her, and she said she didn't feel like it right now.
6. She has the maturity of a twelve year old.
7. She is a complete liar. She will take credit for any ban made, even if she didn't even make it.
8. She is arrogant.

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

When I first began my campaign of sorts against Kira, nobody agreed with me. Now 87.51% of plaza agrees that Kira should be demoted. As well as 79.04% of plaza believing that you are either A. Bias, B. An Idiot, or C. To chicken to ban her. Despite the numerous threads created against her, and the blatant disregard for the rules and standard moderation behavior.

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Lani (2014-11-06 14:07:42)

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A bit off-topic of Kira's demotion, but I just want to say that designing profiles is and should not be a profile moderator's duty...it's more of a service. Though it's nice, it's just like chat mods helping chat noobs with questions...it's not required from them.
I'm tired of seeing people encourage users to become profile mods just because they're good at designing profiles....that's not what moderating is about.


Now back to the topic of Kira...
Flooding and spamming is defined by the rules as "Posting similar messages multiple times, or useless messages"....There you have it.
What makes a message useless? When it has no purpose. Excessively explaining why the sky is blue to no particular person and when no one cares would be useless....Now, lots of users post "purposeless" messages, however the key is posting multiple useless messages at a time. Kira can obsess over anything and it might be spam...she could obsess over Einstein's theory of relativity, but if no one cares and she's filling a whole chatroom with it, it's spam...especially if users are asking her to stop but she keeps going.
I feel the same way when users paste verse after verse of their favourite song for absolutely no reason. It's useless if no one else wants to hear it.

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Leviathan (2014-11-06 17:28:02)

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^ Why the hell would you assume that? I came up with them off the top of my head based on passive observations.

That is also the second time you misspelled my username. :no:

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Jason2k14 (2014-11-06 21:14:19)

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Are these pieces of evidence not enough for you, Nait?
Is WiiGi's thread not enough for you, Nait? Do you want to get jumped by a couple black guys, m8? You will suffer numerous beatings, but don't worry, it'll hurt a little, n8.

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Leviathan (2014-11-06 21:17:19)

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^

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HanShotFirst (2014-11-06 21:18:17)

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Lani pretty muched summed it up for me.

Likewise, Leviathan outlined the rest of the grievances the other users have against Bellamy. Assuming everyone wants Bellamy demoted because she won't share personal information is like saying everyone wanted Richard Nixon impeached from office because he opened trade relations with China. While yes, there may be a handful, they don't speak for everyone.

Likewise, ignoring all the grievances listed because you feel Bellamy not sharing personal info is the reason she came under fire, and not because of the actual grievances, is a silly claim that causes me to take what you say less seriously.

But after all this, even if it doesn't convince you to fully demote Bellamy from her position, that's fine; You ultimately have the final say and we can't go around that. You don't need to demote Bellamy.

At the very least, She is to be reprimanded. Let her know that even though you allowed her to keep her position, that you don't condone her misconduct and that this behavior will eventually lead to a demotion should it continue. That's it.

Meia was a bad mod too. There were also calls for Meia to be demoted. There were grievances listed against her. The community (The Forums in particular) disliked her greatly.

You notice how it all seemed to just stop? How there are fewer people complaining about Meia now compared to before?

Because she didn't even need to be reprimanded to get the message, and she was a saint back then compared to Bellamy's current behaviour.

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~Nia~Teppelin~ (2014-11-06 21:26:50)

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Here is this to show, Edgee posted this in another thread but I just decided to do him a solid and post it here so he doesn't have to.

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SackThing101 (2014-11-06 21:38:14)

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Lol. Let me just quote.

"1. She directly insults the users"
Did you not read the OP?

"2.She doesn't accept criticism or correction."
If you read my reply to Han, it's not because Bellamy is flooding, it's because Bellamy has an interest that people don't care about (I'll explain in a bit)

"3.She floods."
Again, I'll explain in a bit.

"4.She ignores the people she doesn't like. No matter if that keeps her from doing her duty from a PF mod."
Ever thought that Bellamy doesn't have much time? There is no proof they ignored the users. No, not replying to them is not ignoring.

"5.She neglects her profile moderation responsibility."
And so do I! Have you ever thought that Bellamy couldn't do it at the time? We cannot do profiles 24/7 every time we're on Plaza.

"6.She has the maturity of a twelve year old."
This is coming from who? Bellamy is more mature than half the Plaza users. An immature twelve year old would make sex jokes, penis jokes, anything that is inappropriate, etc. And, not all twelve year olds are immature. There's a lot of twelve year olds that are mature. Such as me. I wouldn't be a Community Manager in the first place if I wasn't mature (yes, I was twelve when I became a CM). So if Bellamy does have an immaturity of a twelve year old, Bellamy would be a pretty damn mature one.

"7.She is a complete liar. She will take credit for any ban ma--"
Omfg. I have to stop there. This is all about this because of Bellamy banning mega. Yes. So what? What appreciation would you get for saying you banned someone you didn't ban? None. So even if Bellamy didn't ban mega, why would the original banner object to Bellamy? They didn't; there's no pride of it. So, if Bellamy takes the non-existing pride, then how will Bellamy take credit for it? I don't demote by how many bans you do for a day, week, month, or even year, no.

"8.She is arrogant."
Again, coming from who?

And, since no one wants to read my previous comments, I make the decision. So what if the community hates Bellamy? And again, I explained why. And no, not 80.76% of the community hates Bellamy, no. You only look at one view. You know, there are other users that does not go on the forums or chat to see Bellamy's significance. Yes, they do occasionally go into a chat and see Bellamy moderate. Hell, I even have a few PMs, thanking me for modding Bellamy. By a few, it's not just literal few.

So, the community who hates Bellamy would be 50%, and the other, 50%.

And by the way, not "79.04% of the community" thinks I'm one of those options. Again, there are other parts of 3DSPlaza you are not looking at. And if I was bias, wouldn't you think I kept mega as a mod when he clearly broke the rules? And I'm an idiot? That's a horrid excuse. This is the internet, therefore I can call everyone and anyone an idiot despite their intelligence or fake intelligence. And, what? I'm too chicken to ban Bellamy? No, I don't see anything wrong. Even if so, wouldn't other mods do ban Bellamy as well? Obviously yes, but they don't. Why? They don't mind it. Now, of course, you're gonna say "Because your horrible mods are significantly horrid of Bellamy", well, explain mega then. Obviously, he didn't "flood" (hence the quotes), but some mods did fear him, but took the chance to warn. Hell, this doesn't apply to mods only either.

Now, for my reason why it is not spamming/flooding:

Spamming - It's not spamming, because that would be using or something rapidly.

Flooding - It's not flooding, because it at least provides different information each time such as "Changmin is hot <3" "He got abs <3". Those are somewhat related, but does not count as flooding, because, let me just use Lani's example.

"It's like commenting rapidly on how the sky is blue"
Yes, it would count as flooding if you add vague details, such as:
"the sky is blue"
"it's like a light blue"
"I like blue"
Now, let me go on to myself. I do flood occasionally, though I'm not exactly the fastest typer, but I usually type fast when wanting an urge to say something. Let's take my SSB examples.
"Ike got nerfed"
"his fair is so underpowered now"
"His fair used to kill below 80%"
"It kills at 120% now"
"his smashes are nerfed too"
"they used to kill under 50%"
"off the ledge, it used to kill at 40%"
"Now, it kills at like 80% half charged"
etc.
See how it is changing a bit, but I'm adding more information, so it wouldn't be so much related as much? Same applies to Bellamy:
"Changmin is hot <3"
"Changmin got abs <3"
"His hair is just auuffffff <3"
etc.

Bellamy is talking about different parts of Changmin, and if Bellamy does talk about the same part, it is at least in different details.

And yes, my posts about Ike weren't directed to anyone, and so is Bellamy's.

I'd explain more, but I don't have time atm.

EDIT: This post was supposed to go before these other five ones, but typing and all that... I'll reply to them later.

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Jason2k14 (2014-11-06 21:50:14)

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Oh lawdy. Nait going in now.
I'd like to say a few things, but.. the people that are on the "Let's get Bellamy demoted!" side has got it covered as it looks.

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Leviathan (2014-11-06 22:03:20)

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I stopped at your arrogance comment. You don't communicate with us enough to know our personality profiles, so you have negated yourself. You are not mature. You are extremely immature. Not to mention extremely bias. We know you make the decision. And we all are fully aware that you will make a stupid ass decision and fail to see the evidence we have all presented.

You have flooding mixed with spamming. Spamming is posting the same thing over and over again. Flooding is "...posting useless messages in rapid succession." and "Changmin is hot." "Changmin has nice abs. <3" and other similar messages directed to nobody, receiving no reply, in rapid succession is flooding.

Remember when Meia said "I don't feel like it." and didn't move a thread? Every lost their God damn minds then, didn't they? Because it's her job. Same with Kira.

I am not arrogant. I do not ever act as if I come with some superiority over others as you and Kira do. Even if I do, I'm kidding. You on the other hand, Are a self-obsessed biased immature twat with no rhyme or reason to your clearly subjective decisions. Despite the fact that you are a community manager. Back when Kira was first modded, she was fine to the community as well. Now the entire God damn earth is exploding and you are too chicken to fix it because your beautiful baby girl might not talk to you for a day. Besides, SomeLuigi and Robdeprop rarely get in the chats. You primarily roam the chats, and they don't see you enough to notice that you neglect 99.999999% of your Community Manager duties, and are completely biased in the vast majority of decisions you make. So you are unable to use yourself as an example of positivity considering there was practically a fiesta of fun going on the minute you said you were leaving, and everybody immediately started to decide on who should take your place, rather than objecting.

You are Bias, Immature, Annoying, Unappealing, Lazy, Unintelligent, Arrogant, and completely worthless as a community manager. The world will be a ten times better place when you are out and a decent successor shows this God forsaken excuse for a community that it can and will have better than a thirteen year old as a community manager. And by God I hope the first decree he/she makes as community manager is to demote Kira because it is blatantly obvious that you would rather make out with her in a hot steamy Cyber-Session rather than demote her incompetent ass.

"Don't you think if I was bias, I would have kept MEga as a mod?"
No. Because you can't overrule Someluigi who was the person who gave the damn order.

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